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Henry Haphorn
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:56:00 -
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Here is something that could potentially benefit both CCP Games and those playing the market aspect of Eve Online.
In addition to one of the previous posters here suggesting that the first offense shouldn't include a public flag but for those who are directors or CEOs, why not allow a filter of sorts in the advanced market settings in which a legitimate seller or buyer would be able to tell the market to accept only buy/sell orders from players who are not flagged by this scarlet letter?
If I was going to purchase minerals from the market for my manufacturing jobs that I have pending in a station, I want to make sure that I am not contributing ISK to some botter who is looking to ruin the in-game economy, which they all do anyways. Also, I don't want to sell minerals to botters who spend their ill-gained ISK to create their shiny ships while the money they made ends up in my wallet which could potentially have me investigated by CCP as a potential RMTer. I don't want anything to do with RMT or botters except to try to destroy their operations.
This is a very big benefit for both legitimate miners who sell minerals for ISK and for legitimate buyers who don't want to give ISK to bots.
Of course, your question is still about what benefits there would be for a "public" list of names. In that case, it could potentially help career gankers focus their resources in attacking the right targets as that is something people like me always strive to aim for. I don't want legitimate miners being ganked simply because of the illegal actions committed by another miner next to them in the belt. But of course, like others have said, public naming and shaming should be limited to a second offence. At first offence, only the CEOs and Directors of corps should have access to that information.
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Henry Haphorn
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:20:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Henry Haphorn wrote:Here is something that could potentially benefit both CCP Games and those playing the market aspect of Eve Online.
If I was going to purchase minerals from the market for my manufacturing jobs that I have pending in a station, I want to make sure that I am not contributing ISK to some botter who is looking to ruin the in-game economy, which they all do anyways. Legit sells a billion Zydrine units for X Flagged guy sells a billion Zydrine units for X / 2 Tell me how many will follow your virtue path
Pardon me for what appears to be my lack of understanding, but what are you saying here? I don't get it.
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Henry Haphorn
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:26:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:
Very true, and it follows them for life.
I friend of mine was doing some part time work as a taxi driver and decided it would be clever to have sex with one of his customers in his cab late one night.
She then accused him of ****.
A year later she fully admitted it wasn't **** and he was acquitted, but it doesn't matter as it has followed ever since.
This happened nearly 7 years ago.
Its all well and good saying its for the greater good when it doesn't happen to you, but when you are innocent and the spot light and accused of cheating, come back and lets see if you still think its for the greater good.
There's nothing you can do about it though. We live in an imperfect world after all. You are correct to assume that all is good until you are at the receiving end of a bad reputation. But that doesn't change the fact that there will never be a perfect system in this materialistic world we live in. We just have to make do with what we have and move on.
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Henry Haphorn
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:59:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Henry Haphorn wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:
Very true, and it follows them for life.
I friend of mine was doing some part time work as a taxi driver and decided it would be clever to have sex with one of his customers in his cab late one night.
She then accused him of ****.
A year later she fully admitted it wasn't **** and he was acquitted, but it doesn't matter as it has followed ever since.
This happened nearly 7 years ago.
Its all well and good saying its for the greater good when it doesn't happen to you, but when you are innocent and the spot light and accused of cheating, come back and lets see if you still think its for the greater good.
There's nothing you can do about it though. We live in an imperfect world after all. You are correct to assume that all is good until you are at the receiving end of a bad reputation. But that doesn't change the fact that there will never be a perfect system in this materialistic world we live in. We just have to make do with what we have and move on. That well maybe the case but I don't agree hurting the innocent to get the bad guy. As others have said, their is also the issue of litigation. I'm pretty sure in the world will live in today you would probably be able to take CCP to court if you were accused of breaking the EULA/TOS when in fact you hadn't. We do live in crazy times.
If that was the case, CCP, Blizzard, etc. should've all gone out of business a long time ago. Those crazy times have started that long ago.
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Henry Haphorn
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:26:00 -
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Sin Pew wrote:Sreeg, please, discuss it with CCP lawyers, flagging bots adds in-game content only accessible through breaking EULA.
That would simply void the EULA part covering automation, thus endorsing and allowing botting. You don't want that, do you?
Besides, I prefer CCP focuses on maintaining and debugging existing code, than adding useless pieces of code to further maintain and debug.
That makes no sense at all. In real life, we have judges in the United States that force thieves to stand in public in front of a store and wear a sign that says "I stole from [insert store name here]". Perfectly legal and the lawyers were not able to overturn that decision because the majority of the people in those communities saw no problem with the "name and shame" policy. Good luck trying to convince a lawyer to have CCP litigated over a "name and shame" policy if the majority of the players here support it.
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Henry Haphorn
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:11:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:Henry Haphorn wrote:
That makes no sense at all. In real life, we have judges in the United States that force thieves to stand in public in front of a store and wear a sign that says "I stole from [insert store name here]". Perfectly legal and the lawyers were not able to overturn that decision because the majority of the people in those communities saw no problem with the "name and shame" policy. Good luck trying to convince a lawyer to have CCP litigated over a "name and shame" policy if the majority of the players here support it.
Contrary to popular believes EVE is NOT the United States. The only thing what would come from making public who got caught botting is a witchhunt. Regardless we call ourselves a civilised world nowadays we are not. The pitchfork and torch mentality is everpresent (and specially in the EVE world) and it won't do any good for EVE as a game to encourage that. The flag showing up for people who can accept recruits in a corporation would be sufficient. And only when people apply to a corporation. A corporation is entitled to know if someone who applies has been caught and punished before for breaking the EULA/ToS.
That part should be a good start. If the bot persists after that, then the flag should be open for all to see.
But overall, a stealth mechanic should be put in place that I feel is the best option and it's something that will negatively impact the ISK-making machine of bot users without them realizing it:
Add a filter into the market options that all allow legitimate buyers and sellers to ignore all flagged bots as potential clients and vendors (those on the other side of the transaction). This will force them to use the contracts to sell or buy. But let's face it, most people don't trust those contracts and the fact that someone is trying to sell minerals through such a method might be a flag of its own kind of like how you would notice a contract claiming to have a Navy Issue Ibis. It makes it pretty obvious.
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Henry Haphorn
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:15:00 -
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Quantum Drummer wrote:Hey DJ,
This is stupid. The only time another player should see if the account has been banned is when buying it. Then they should be able to know if it has bans on record. This will turn into Steam where a crack your friend downloads for a game gets you a VAC Ban Star and every time you play well; you're cheating.
EDIT: Also, most CEOs and FCs of major corps would be tagged.
If you closely read one of CCP Sreegs' latest dev blogs regarding the recent ban-hammer move on botters, it is now official that all characters within said bot accounts and all non-bot accounts associated with said bot accounts are no longer able to put up their characters in the Character Bazaar.
In other words: Banned Accounts = No transferable character
EDIT: I forgot to add the following two words on the last line: "...for life."
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Henry Haphorn
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:19:00 -
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CowRocket Void wrote:If I saw a "botter mark" I'd make a special attempt to gank them, over and over and over again. I say do it 
I would keep ganking them until I see that the player is finally at the controls. Knowing myself, I would give that player a chance to redeem himself as I police him over time. Kind of like a probation officer looking after a convict. Only, in Eve, the probation system would actually work compared to what we Americans have in real life (which is crappy).
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